Josh Widdicombe is holding a banana to his ear with one hand and an old style crimson phone within the different. Duran Duran’s The Wild Boys is blasting by way of the audio system because the photographer loudly directs his poses. Moments earlier than, James Acaster was in his place, clasping a plastic megaphone and a type of rubber chickens that appear to exist primarily for standups to brandish irreverently in entrance of a digital camera.
It’s the form of wacky photoshoot two comedians might properly have discovered themselves obliged to smile by way of at any level through the previous 30 years. However there may be some justification for this afternoon’s antics. Acaster and Widdicombe are right here to advertise the fourth collection of their prop-heavy parlour-gameshow Hypothetical, through which a panel of comedians are offered with a collection of ridiculous hypothetical conditions: they need to write the story for a musical primarily based on the songs of S Membership 7, or fake to be a pair of an identical twins for a yr. Then they've to elucidate to their hosts how they might go about enacting stated scenario – typically through the medium of some equally ridiculous improv.
The result's the final word consolation TV: Hypothetical will not be trailblazing or profound, however this can be very humorous. It's also one of many nicest reveals I've seen for a while, a high quality I point out tentatively to the pair after the photoshoot. “I don’t assume there’s something improper with good,” counters Widdicombe, who has folded himself up on the very deep couch. “Comedy is meant to make you content. Typically you lose sight of that.” Hypothetical’s friends – which embrace acquainted faces and fledgling standups getting their first TV break – are set as much as succeed. Questions are “not a entice or a stitch-up, we’re making an attempt to indicate them in pretty much as good a lightweight as doable,” says Acaster.
This type of collegiate ambiance hasn’t at all times been related to British comedy leisure; 10 or 15 years in the past the panel present had a status as a combative, viperish format that excluded girls, humiliated celebrities and favoured probably the most brutal comedian within the room. But there was a transparent shift since; these days, you’re extra prone to see comedians gently competing to manoeuvre a potato right into a gap on Taskmaster than shout over each other’s queasy gags in regards to the royal household.
Widdicombe got here up with the thought for Hypothetical himself; asking his companions hypothetical questions has lengthy been his most well-liked strategy to kill time on tour. And the vast majority of the contestants genuinely are good mates in actual life: the general impression is of a gang of inordinately humorous mates making an attempt to make one another snort. Which can be good.
Pleasingly, Hypothetical’s hosts are themselves shut. The pair met at a comedy competitors after they have been each first making an attempt standup within the late 00s. (Beforehand, Acaster had been taking part in in a collection of splendidly named bands, together with the Wow! State of affairs and the Capri-Solar Quartet, whereas Widdicombe was working as a sports activities author on the Guardian.) But it surely was after a gig collectively in Wales that they correctly bonded. Sleeping on somebody’s lounge flooring, they stayed up chatting about which comic’s careers they’d prefer to emulate. “I stated Ross Noble,” remembers Acaster. “You stated Mark Watson, as a result of on the time he was popping up on panel reveals and Radio 4. And doing properly in Edinburgh.”
“Nicely, I by no means achieved that bit,” deadpans Widdicombe.
The truth is, they might quickly each endure a horrendous Edinburgh competition. In 2009, the pair shared a invoice with fellow comedian Nick Helm on the free fringe. The one protection was from scholar publication ThreeWeeks, which “gave it one star and described it as ‘miserable’ – which was appropriate,” remembers Widdicombe. It definitely sounds it: the room they have been in sported smashed lights, withered balloons and a washing-up bowl filled with sick that they solely found in the direction of the top of their run. Barely anyone got here, and the trio “died on our arse for a month”.
By some means, it didn’t put them off standup for all times. The pair would go on to search out success individually – Widdicombe as an amiable however exasperated observationalist, Acaster as a technically subtle oddball – however their paths would cross once more professionally in 2013, when Widdicombe landed an XFM present. He invited Acaster on as a daily visitor to inform mind-boggling however utterly true tales from his life, referred to as Traditional Scrapes – a phase the latter later tailored right into a bestselling e book.
The radio present would additionally change into a harbinger of developments to come back. Like many XFM reveals of the time, it additionally went out as a podcast, then a comparatively area of interest medium. In recent times, the pair have each returned to the shape with staggering success: Acaster’s dream-meal interview podcast Off Menu, which he presents with Ed Gamble, and Widdicombe’s Parenting Hell (co-hosted by Rob Beckett) are normally jostling for the highest spot on the charts. “Rival, I believe is the phrase,” says Widdicombe. “Rival podcasts.”
The recognition of Parenting Hell – a mixture of interviews and end-of-tether dispatches from the 2 comedians’ dwelling lives with younger youngsters – has been a revelation for Widdicombe. Beforehand, he says, he by no means mined his private life for materials, sticking to basic observational fare. “However whenever you’re speaking extra about your worries and struggles, individuals reply in a very completely different manner. You’re like: what? It took me 12 years to grasp that I’m a lot funnier after I’m being sincere about my life!”
Widdicombe is sanguine in regards to the quantity of publicity this entails, in addition to the best way he has been co-opted into parasocial relationships with followers (a sort of imaginary friendship with a media determine that the intimate, unfiltered podcast kind encourages). “Individuals really feel like they’re your mates – they really feel such as you’re their particular secret, nearly,” says Widdicombe. He will get it: “I really feel it for podcasts I take heed to.” Acaster’s oddball Off Menu persona means he doesn’t get the identical stage of curiosity – “I’m nonetheless a bit bizarre on it, so all I get is individuals shouting: ‘Poppadoms or bread?!’ at me” – however he’s properly conscious of the connection from the opposite facet. “I watch an excessive amount of YouTube, and lots of YouTubers, I believe they’re my mates. And so they’re not.”
Extra lately, the pair have been getting again to their day jobs: truly performing comedy stay on stage. Widdicombe is at present traversing the nation together with his pandemic-delayed tour Bit A lot … (“I believe this tour began when Theresa Might was prime minister – that’s not resulting from common demand.”) Acaster had at all times deliberate to take a year-long break from standup after the ultimate performances of Chilly Lasagne Hate Myself 1999, a really unbelievable hour of comedy that took in a psychological well being disaster on the set of Movie star Bake Off, his ex starting a relationship with Mr Bean and a few really astounding examples of boundary breaking by his therapist. The yr changed into two, and he's solely now – “tentatively” – starting to e book in stay reveals once more.
In a bizarre manner, although, it doesn’t appear as if Acaster has been away in any respect. That’s largely as a result of a clip from Chilly Lasagne – through which he mocks “difficult” standups who make jokes about transgender individuals (“As a result of, you understand, who’s been lengthy overdue a problem? The trans neighborhood”) – has gone viral on social media a number of instances over the previous yr, most lately in response to Dave Chappelle’s controversial Netflix particular The Nearer, throughout which he joked about trans girls’s genitals and described himself as “Staff Terf” (an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist).
Acaster says he’s blissful for his clip to be co-opted into the tradition wars as a result of his which means or intent hasn’t been warped: “I used to be very cautious with each routine [in Cold Lasagne] so I couldn’t be quoted out of context with it – that what I believed, no less than on the time, was very clear.”
We’re talking the week after a joke made by Jimmy Carr in regards to the Holocaust reignited the talk about cancel tradition stifling comedy. It’s an argument that has been made by swathes of comedians lately, from Billy Connolly to Shaparak Khorsandi. Do the pair fear about being “cancelled” for a joke – or no less than held accountable for something inadvertently problematic they are saying?
Widdicombe says his materials is so anodyne – and, at present, child-centric –that the specter of cancellation will not be a priority: “Until somebody doing 5 minutes on child displays goes to come back again and chew them on the arse, I believe I’m on fairly secure floor.”
Acaster thinks being a comic means the specter of offending individuals is at all times current, nevertheless it doesn’t imply standups are underneath assault. “Anybody might say something that doesn’t come off properly – the factor will not be rabidly defending your self in any respect prices. You might be improper. I believe it’s more healthy so that you can mirror on it and go: ‘Yeah, my unhealthy, I shouldn’t have stated that,’ moderately than go: ‘Everybody’s making an attempt to silence me.’ As a result of 9 instances out of 10, if individuals say what you stated wasn’t perfect, it’s in all probability as a result of it might probably be damaging for an entire group of individuals. And, as an individual, I don’t wish to harm an entire group of individuals.”
“That’s what he stated to me that evening once we have been mendacity on that flooring [in the late 00s],” chips in Widdicombe. “I don’t wish to harm an entire group of individuals.”
“It’s not like there’s been casualties,” continues Acaster. “I’ve not seen any comedian say one thing on stage, get referred to as out for it, apologise, after which that’s it for them. Usually if you happen to go: ‘Yeah, you’re proper, sorry guys, I’ll reword that,’ you’re allowed to be a comic and keep on. And also you’re allowed to make that mistake once more if you would like. It’s simply not as dramatic because it sounds.”
A lot of probably the most heated debate on this space takes place on social media – a spot Acaster and Widdicombe have retreated from lately. The truth is, Acaster bought so uninterested in answering questions on how and why he left Twitter that he has written a e book about it. James Acaster’s Information to Quitting Social Media is out in August, and is a “utterly fictitious” memoir about “how I get all the pieces social media used to provide me in the true world: how I begin arguments with strangers, how I stalk my ex-girlfriends, and the way I get photos of everybody’s infants. It’s the stupidest factor I’ve ever written.”
“And there’s some actually powerful competitors,” quips Widdicombe. In a pleasant manner.
Sequence 4 of Hypothetical begins 18 Might, 10pm, Dave.
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