‘It’s the way the industry is going’: how YouTube is transforming podcasting

“SECRET group of geniuses KILL for enjoyable.” In a latest video podcast on his true crime YouTube channel MrBallen, John Allen tells the story of a mysterious poisoning involving Mensa that happened in rural Florida. The video of Allen, sporting his signature blue plaid shirt and backwards cap, talking insistently into the digital camera, has garnered near 4m views.

MrBallen is an instance of the blurring of the traces between podcasts and Youtube. His YouTube channel launched in 2020 and counts greater than 6 million subscribers. The podcast – accessible on the likes of Spotify and Apple – adopted in February, and is already attracting as much as 7m month-to-month downloads.

Whereas we principally know podcasts as one thing to tune into whereas exercising or driving, the overlap between video content material and audio podcasts is altering consumer habits and pitting video large YouTube towards audio-native Spotify.

Podcaster John Allen, AKA Mr Ballen, in his studio.
Video podcaster John Allen, AKA Mr Ballen, in his studio. Photograph: @mrballen / instagram

Allen isn't the one one bridging the divide; YouTube stars like Logan Paul and h3h3 have additionally branched out into podcasts. It’s going within the different route too: a few of Spotify’s star podcasters like Joe Rogan and Name Her Daddy’s Alex Cooper already publish video podcasts to the platform, and it’s slowly rolling out the flexibility to add video podcasts to extra creators.

Whereas Allen’s audio and video output streams are nonetheless separate in the mean time (with the podcasts that includes longer, extra in-depth audio-only content material), Allen has plans to merge the 2 operations in some unspecified time in the future.

A examine by market analysis agency Cumulus revealed in Could discovered YouTube is already the most well-liked platform for podcasts. It received the market with out actually attempting; now, it’s getting severe. The corporate has launched a devoted beta podcast touchdown web page, employed a podcast govt to steer its efforts within the medium and supplied in style podcasters and podcast networks grants of as much as $300,000 to create video variations of their reveals, in keeping with Bloomberg.

It’s an indication of rising competitors within the house that’s unhealthy information for Spotify, which has invested about $1bn in podcasting in recent times. Even Gen Z’s beloved short-form video platform TikTok is serious about launching a music service that will cowl podcasts.

Sarah Koenig and Dana Chivvis in their studio
Sarah Koenig and Dana Chivvis recording the hit podcast Serial. Would it not now be a video sequence? Photograph: Elise Bergerson/Serial

Very like the tendency of distantly associated crustaceans to preserve evolving into crabs, ultimately platforms tend to begin cannibalising one another’s core options. This time, a medium is caught within the crossfire – elevating the query of what differentiates a video podcast from the vlogs that YouTube first popularised.

For now, most video podcasts function the hosts within the studio recording the audio – a style of podcasts with a transparent counterpart in TV talkshows. However there are forms of podcasts the place a transfer to video may shift the expertise extra basically.

QCode is a podcast firm finest identified for its narrative fiction reveals that includes Hollywood expertise, excessive manufacturing values and immersive sound design, numerous which have been optioned for tv and movie diversifications.

In response to the video podcast development, QCode’s chief technique officer, Steve Wilson, says the corporate is considering what sort of video components may improve the expertise. However he cautions that for fictional podcasts, utilizing your creativeness will be a part of the enchantment. “It makes our podcasts just a little bit nearer to one thing like studying an excellent ebook, the place you’re inspired to see the characters in the way in which that you simply envision them,” he says.

If it was made right this moment, the 2014 hit podcast Serial, ​​an investigative evaluation of the homicide of a teenage woman, most likely wouldn’t take the shape a video podcast. But when it was made in 10 years’ time? “Possibly,” says Steve Jones, content material director at podcast firm Crowd Community. “That’s the way in which the trade goes.” However this leads again into the swamp of semantics: if Serial was a video podcast, wouldn’t that simply be a documentary?

Some imagine an over liberal use of the time period “podcast” is responsible for any confusion. “With the rise of the podcast, there’s extra content material that's positioning itself as a podcast,” says Wilson. Within the pre-podcast age, a content material creator may need made an academic video in regards to the first world struggle. “Now, somebody’s going to name that a [video] podcast, whereas 5 years in the past it was only a video on the struggle – or a vlog,” he says.

However video podcasting may open up a brand new horizon for creators. Allen says followers inform him they like to observe his content material. “This [medium] permits them to see my very actual feelings come out as I take them by means of the story that we’ve spent numerous hours making ready,” he says. “Video additionally provides me one other layer to play with… I can simply throw some visuals on display screen to help no matter I’m saying.”

At Crowd Community, the motive behind video podcasts first got here from a need to supply audiences a “little bit additional”, says Jones. “However more and more we’ve discovered that it's a complete new viewers and truly there isn’t that a lot of a crossover.”

Joe Marler, an English skilled rugby union participant and the host of The Joe Marler Present, says that is true for his podcast, which took the leap into video this summer time. The truth that video is extra shareable than audio – suppose the viral clip of Elon Musk smoking a blunt on Joe Rogan’s podcast – means customers usually tend to stumble over segments on social media. “I don’t know the science behind it; I simply know that the algorithms push the content material much better than the podcast apps,” says Marler. Because of this, the viewers members watching the podcast are usually youthful.

Rugby player and video podcast host Joe Marler.
Rugby participant and video podcast host Joe Marler. Photograph: David M Benett/Getty Photos

Marler says that though his new studio price about 4 or 5 occasions greater than his audio studio, he’s not attempting to monetise video content material individually – it’s extra about selling his present throughout visible channels. That is true for many podcasters, provided that it’s more durable to monetise YouTube than podcast content material, though Jake Warren, CEO and founding father of podcast firm Message Heard, says that splitting audiences throughout totally different mediums is commercially dangerous. On Spotify, creators will even have the ability to monetise their movies in the identical manner as their audio podcasts, by way of subscriptions.

It’s not simply YouTube; TikTok’s bite-size content material can also be encouraging the development for video podcasts. Crowd Community is launching a present with a TikTok star this autumn and Jones says they made the choice to not launch a 45-minute edit of the podcast, as a result of the corporate isn’t certain there’s an viewers for it. They could be proved incorrect, however Jones says they’re planning to concentrate on sharing clips on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube Shorts (the place movies have to be a minute or much less in size). A medium typified by the languid tempo of Rogan’s three-hour interviews is about to get rather a lot snappier.

Amongst trade gamers, the Spotify v YouTube rivalry is hailed as one other signal that podcasting is the most well liked factor in media. However some fear that a pivot to video would possibly imply sacrificing the soul of the trade. Warren stresses that “audio is a particular and distinct medium in its personal proper”, whereas videography is a completely totally different craft. “I hope we don’t overlook the facility of audio, simply to attempt to sport an algorithm.”

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