‘Our stories usually aren’t recognised’: The podcast bringing to life an archive of Black queer Britain 

‘Black queer folks fall between the cracks,’ activist and podcaster Marc Thompson tells Metro.co.uk. 

His phrases ring true for a lot of Black folks within the LGBTQ+ neighborhood, as Black queer historical past in Britain might be exhausting to search out.

Throughout Black Historical past month, the tales amplified often give attention to straight folks, whereas, in relation to LGBT+ historical past, these accounts have a tendency to return from those that are sometimes white. Which suggests there’s little house left for tales about Black queer folks. ‘Our tales often aren’t recognised in any a kind of,’ provides Thompson.

Nonetheless, with so many exceptional folks to have modified the face of Black queer Britain, he says it’s viral they don’t go unhonoured.

‘We don’t actually rejoice what I wish to name the extra-ordinary folks,’ explains Thompson, who additionally works as a mentor. ‘The individuals who made our lives actually particular, who by simply merely present obtained us to the place we're as we speak.’

Decided to alter that, he joined forces with journalist and author Jason Okundaye to create Black and Homosexual, Again within the Day, a digital neighborhood archive of Black queer historical past curated by the pair.

Their intention was to problem the dominate narratives of each Black and LGBT+ historical past, by documenting the tales over the a long time of queer Black Britain by pictures submitted by the neighborhood.

Members of the Black Lesbian and Gay Centre march against Section 28
Members of the Black Lesbian and Homosexual Centre march towards Part 28 (Image: Black and Homosexual, Again within the Day)

Marc Thompson
Marc Thompson, co-creator of the initiative, which is making a digital neighborhood archive of Black queer historical past (Image: Provided)

Launched in February 2021, Instagram grew to become the proper house for the dialog to start, and the account was an prompt success. 

Many younger Black folks, had been in a position to actually interact with the folks, locations and tales coming by within the pictures, with many, myself included, hardly ever having had entry to such a plethora of photos of older Black queer folks in Britain.

It additionally impacted the older technology who had been in a position to memorialise misplaced associates, memory and reconnect with others and share their tales.

Now, in an thrilling subsequent step, the pictures are being dropped at life another way by an formidable podcast collection.

Permitting the photographs to be explored in additional depth, the podcast ‘offers us a chance to delve deeper into a number of the tales and to suppose a bit extra deeply in regards to the scenes,’ explains Thompson.

The Black and gay, back in the day logo, alongside a pic of Fopé Ajanaku speaking to Femi Otitoju for the podcast
The podcast artworks was carried out by Kemi Oloyede. As a part of the collection, activist Fopé Ajanaku spoke to Femi Otitoju to search out out extra about Black LGBTQIA+ historical past and activism, such because the Black Lesbian and Homosexual Centre march towards Part 28 . (Image: Black and Homosexual, Again within the Day)

Every episode will mirror on a picture from the archive, that includes an intergenerational dialog, exploring what it was wish to be Black and homosexual within the UK through the time the image was taken. Evaluating and contrasting the previous and the current and exploring themes corresponding to love, neighborhood and activism.

As somebody who is consistently trying to find Black queer historical past, I used to be actually excited to be requested to work on the podcast as an Assistant Producer.

In lots of cases after we find out about historic figures, we would uncover what they did however we hardly ever get to know who they had been, which is one thing Thompson hopes the podcast will be capable of change. ‘We delve deep into the person’s lives, and other people get to know these older folks on a extremely private degree,’ he explains. 

As a younger Black lesbian, I cherish any alternative to talk to older Black folks from the LGBTQ+ neighborhood, as a result of for therefore lengthy I didn’t know that there was such a wealthy Black queer historical past within the UK. 

Founder of Sistermatic Yvonne Taylor in 1975, when she was 15 years old
In one of many episodes Jewel Foster speaks to Yvonne Taylor, founding father of Sistermatic – a month-to-month queer girls’s membership evening that ran at South London Girls’s Centre in Brixton from 1986 to 1995. Right here Yvonne is in 1975, when she was 15 years outdated (Image: Yvonne Taylor)

I didn’t learn about all of the Black queer actions that had been occurring throughout the UK. I definitely didn’t look forward to finding it within the areas of London I grew up in, on the streets I might stroll to highschool and not far away from the place I went to get my hair carried out.

For episode one among Black and Homosexual, Again within the Day, I obtained the chance to talk to Ted Brown, a author and lifelong activist.

Ted isn’t shy of accolades – he was closely concerned within the UK department of the Homosexual Liberation Entrance, and helped to arrange the Black Lesbians and Gays In opposition to Media Homophobia (BLAGAMH), who had been instrumental in main the marketing campaign addressing homophobia within the media and the horrific remedy in the direction of the primary brazenly homosexual footballer Justin Fashanu.

Ted Brown
Ted Brown exhausting at work for Homosexual Information, the primary impartial newspaper for homosexual males and lesbians (Image: Ted Brown)

The photograph we mirror on throughout his episode options Brown within the early Nineteen Seventies, straddling a bicycle with a replica of Homosexual Information, the paper he was writing for on the time, strapped on the again. Homosexual Information launched in 1972 and was the primary impartial newspaper for homosexual males and lesbians.

In preparation for my chat with Ted I went to the BishopsGate Institute, residence to one of the vital intensive collections on LGBTQ+ historical past, politics and tradition within the UK, to see if I might discover a copy of that paper.

I met Brown at Housman’s bookshop, a radical place and the epicentre of so many essential political causes just like the lesbian and homosexual motion, the UK department of the Homosexual Liberation Entrance and the ladies’s motion. 

The photograph was the proper place to begin to unpack Brown’s story. I actually wished to grasp what it was like for a homosexual Black man in Britain through the Nineteen Seventies in a world that, in accordance with Brown, described homosexuality ‘as a psychological sickness, perversion or immoral, if it was talked about in any respect.’

Abi McIntosh standing with Ted Brown outside a shop called Housmans
Abi interviewed Ted Brown for an episode of the podcast (Image: Abi McIntosh)

It was towards this backdrop, that Brown got here out to his mom, after struggling to manage when a detailed good friend of his, who he suspected is perhaps homosexual, took his personal life. Like most individuals popping out, he was frightened about his mom’s response.

However Brown’s mum was closely concerned within the American civil rights motion once they lived within the US earlier than emigrating to the UK, so was no stranger to the work of homosexual civil rights activist Bayard Rustin.

Having heard Rustin’s inspiring speeches in regards to the plight of the Black homosexual neighborhood, her primary concern was how tough life can be for her son.

Ajamu X, an iconic Black queer creative who was based in Huddersfield in 1983
Ajamu X, an iconic Black queer inventive who was based mostly in Huddersfield in 1983 Ajamu X

Ain Bailey and DJ Marilyn celebrate the launch of Brown, a Black queer women’s night, at the Candy Bar, Soho, in 1998
Ain Bailey and DJ Marilyn rejoice the launch of Brown, a Black queer girls’s evening, on the Sweet Bar, Soho, in 1998 (Image: Parminder Sekhon)

A picture from Gay Times of Roy Anthony Brown in 1986 at the Hippodrome, where he was crowned winner of Mr Gay Britain
An image from Homosexual Instances of Roy Anthony Brown in 1986 on the Hippodrome, the place he was topped winner of Mr Homosexual Britain. As a part of the podcast he spoke to asexuality activist Yasmin Benot and the complexities of public picture (Image: Homosexual Instances)

Nonetheless, Ted was decided to make a distinction to the media panorama regardless of typically feeling patronised by his white colleagues. Inspired by his mom’s activism, he labored exhausting to spotlight that the homosexual neighborhood doesn’t start and finish with white homosexual males.

As a lesbian journalist, I used to be additionally actually all for what it was wish to work at an LGBTQ+ publication, and the battles Brown confronted. 

After I was looking out by the Homosexual Information archives, it struck me how a lot of the content material was centered on males although it was a magazine for queer folks. 

Brown echoes this: ‘Most of my writing was making an attempt to verify they launched extra girls, as a result of it was completely male,’ he defined throughout our dialog. 

As somebody who has needed to battle to incorporate tales about lesbians and the Black queer neighborhood numerous instances throughout my profession, it saddens me that this can be a nonetheless the case with a number of LGBTQ+ publications as we speak, until they're particularly aimed toward queer girls.

What strikes me most although, by my chat with Brown and the opposite conversations all through the collection, is that the realities for many Black LGBTQ+ folks within the UK isn’t that completely different from within the 70s, 80’s and 90s.

As Thompson explains: ‘Typically it may be fairly unhappy once you hear in regards to the racism or the sexism we face as we speak, as a result of issues are happening and doubtless will go on to a different technology.’

The legendary David McAlmont pauses on his way to London Pride in 1992
The legendary David McAlmont pauses on his solution to London Satisfaction in 1992 (Image: Black and Homosexual, Again within the Day)

Dennis Carney and Essex Hemphill, captured together in an image of tender love, in Brixton, 1987
Dennis Carney and Essex Hemphill, captured collectively in a picture of tender love, in Brixton, 1987 (Image: )

However what's nice about speaking to folks with whom you've gotten a shared understanding, Thompson factors out, is that ‘it lets you perceive among the instruments and abilities that you just would possibly must develop that will help you undergo that.’

Season one among Black and Homosexual, Again within the Day options hundreds ofthought upsetting conversations from a wide range of members from the Black British queer neighborhood, together with multidisciplinary artist Jacob V Joyce, artist, curator, archivist and activist Ajamu X. Lesbian activist and founding father of Problem Consultancy Femi Otitoju, Asexuality activist and influencer Yasmin Benoit, and Chantelle Ayanna a DJ and music producer.

To Thompson, the episodes really feel just like the older technology passing the baton to a youthful on, in a bid to hold on their work. ‘It actually allows you to perceive that you just come from a really, very wealthy historical past that teaches you classes and allows you to go ahead,’ he displays.

Being a part of the podcast additionally impressed me to consider the methods during which I’m archiving the world round me.

As for Thompson one key piece of recommendation that he needs to offer to Black queer folks as we speak is to ‘Archive, archive, archive!’

He provides: ‘Preserve a journal, maintain your mementos from issues that you just’ve been to, or occasions you attended. Put all of it down on paper, as a result of in 15-20 years, it’s going to be actually helpful to you and for the folks round you.’

In the end, Thompson says, ‘I hope that it sparks folks’s curiosity, to go and be taught extra in regards to the people featured, but in addition to find extra in regards to the actually wealthy tapestry that has gone earlier than and to hopefully proceed so as to add to it for future generations.’

You'll be able to take heed to Abi’s dialog with Ted Brown right here and subscribe to Black and Homosexual, Again within the Day wherever you get your podcasts. 


Black Historical past Month

October marks Black Historical past Month, which displays on the achievements, cultures and contributions of Black folks within the UK and throughout the globe, in addition to educating others in regards to the various historical past of these from African and Caribbean descent.

For extra details about the occasions and celebrations which can be going down this yr, go to the official Black Historical past Month web site.

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