Charles, 67, Bournemouth
Occupation Former diplomat turned speech author
Voting file All the time Conservative. Charles voted for Brexit: “I used to be one of many few diplomats who did”
Amuse boucheWhereas working abroad, Charles borrowed some wallabies for a reception for Foster’s lager. “Nobody had seen one at a diplomatic occasion earlier than”
Chris, 34, Bournemouth
Occupation Complaints adviser for an NHS belief
Voting file All the time Labour, and stay within the EU referendum
Amuse bouche Chris a lot prefers Grease 2 to Grease. “It’s deeper, stronger, a feminist movie, and the songs are higher”
For starters
Chris We had a chat about what we did. He informed me the locations he’s been and the issues he’s finished. It wasn’t intimidating, however I did suppose: “I’m over my head a bit.”
Charles I requested what Chris’s motivating precept is, the place he comes from when he’s approaching something. He stated one thing like sympathy, empathy, ardour, these type of phrases. I come from a spot which is extra in regards to the consent of the ruled – below what foundation are guidelines set, and who units them? That’s an enormous foundational disagreement, you may say, between coronary heart and head.
The large beef
Chris Our largest distinction was in how we view the world and the way we wish to change it. For me it’s extra about rights, social justice, wanting a fairer and extra equal society. He talked lots about his hatred of communism.
Charles I've lived in communist nations and seen the outcomes. The thought is that the top justifies the means; there aren't any limits to authorities. The spirit of communism is alive and properly, and pops up in all types of locations – in a few of these cancel tradition issues, the ideological uniformity in US universities, for instance.
Chris He stated the explanation he didn’t just like the left is that they're mean-spirited and at all times assume the worst in folks. That’s my expertise of the best.
Charles What I dislike is the indignant, aggressive, obnoxious left. Chris didn’t appear to be a part of that in any respect – he appeared to have a libertarian intuition of some kind, which was advantageous. We might sit down and discuss concepts.
Sharing plate
Chris We agreed about how divided and tribal the nation is in the best way we discuss points, and the way that's pushed by social media.
Charles Everybody resides in echo chambers and the algorithms are making it worse. They serve up the stuff they know you want as a result of they wish to ship you promoting.
For afters
Chris We talked about taking the knee, which I assist if somebody needs to indicate their solidarity with individuals who undergo racism in soccer. It grew to become a factor in 2020 and 2021 when enmity and violence towards the black group was a world difficulty. If it had been earlier than George Floyd was murdered by the police, and other people simply stated they needed to indicate solidarity and drive out racism, I don’t suppose it might have had that a lot consideration.
Charles You’ve received all these folks taking the knee. What angle do you're taking to the individuals who don’t take the knee? The way in which it’s offered is that when you one way or the other problem it, or giggle, or boo or no matter you do to indicate your disapproval, then you might be ipso facto a racist. It’s a type of all-or-nothing view, and that to me is obnoxious.
Chris It’s not only a leftwing difficulty. Poppy outrage is pushed by the best. Yearly, TV presenters get complaints in the event that they’re not seen to be sporting poppies or not sporting them early sufficient.
Charles Chris hit again over the web fairly properly there, however it’s not clear to me that it’s analogous. In the event you don’t put on a poppy, I don’t go round saying you’re anti-patriotic; there’s no mass motion of individuals demanding everybody wears poppies in the identical approach as you'd be attacked when you stated taking the knee was ridiculous.
Takeaways
Chris I used to be a little bit bit dissatisfied afterwards as a result of I didn’t really feel I had stated sufficient. I felt he bamboozled me a bit. At one level I assumed: “What am I doing right here? I've nothing to say.”
Charles He appeared to go away with some issues he hadn’t thought of earlier than, and to a point I did, too. I don’t know if he’s a vegan or a vegetarian, however he appeared unimpressed by his courgettes, which made me heat to him, as a result of everybody’s unimpressed by courgettes.
Extra reporting: Sarah Hooper
Charles and Chris ate at Arbor at The Inexperienced Home, Bournemouth
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